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Sisterhood devalued by sororities

Abstract:
What does sisterhood mean to you? Does it include the same responsibilities that one would share with a sibling? Or is it less familial and more a social and class privilege? By now, young ladies at Astate have rushed or are making final bids to do so. Expectations My personal experience to rushing goes back to the day I was born....

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Tristan

posted 3/12/10 @ 1:20 PM CST

Your opinion is well taken and duly noted. However, I must admit that you sound like a bitter and rejected young woman. Yet, I applaud your efforts to defy the status quo and publish the thoughts that represent all those who didn't make it. Maybem, ohpefully, this will be a positive in the long run, or maybe you'll never be an AKA while an undergrad at AState.

What are excuses? Other than tools of incompetence, what else are excuses?(apparently your mother didn't tell you)

You say that you were misinformed, but as a leader in the greek community in another state, the story is the same. There is a reason why we don't give away membership into our BGLO's. Those who work hard and show earnest effort are typically smiled upon, so long as your actions aren't outrageous nor present liablility. Needless to say, "vague" deadlines don't exist. Your preparedness is on you, and no one else. So then, I ask, how prepared were you for this opportunity?

Just know that publicly bashing a greek organization for your own, personal short-comings is not reputable. It matters not how much "pink and green" you have in your closet and because your are a leagacy doesn't make you exempt from the rules of a difficult process. Everyone is held to the same high standard and someone from a socially lesser background as yourslef could earn membership if they present themselves worthy. Your name is worthless if you don't work toward your ambitions. Where I'm from, "exceptions are made for exceptional people," "and slack is for slackers."

Lastly, a good friend once told me that, "he's drinking from a well he ain't dig." I think it's time you stop riding the glory of your mother's acheivements and start diggin' a well of your own.

Peace and Blessings

Li

posted 3/17/10 @ 9:54 PM CST

Originally posted by

Tristan

Your opinion is well taken and duly noted. However, I must admit that you sound like a bitter and rejected young woman. Yet, I applaud your efforts to defy the status quo and publish the thoughts that represent all those who didn't make it. Maybem, ohpefully, this will be a positive in the long run, or maybe you'll never be an AKA while an undergrad at AState.

What are excuses? Other than tools of incompetence, what else are excuses?(apparently your mother didn't tell you)

You say that you were misinformed, but as a leader in the greek community in another state, the story is the same. There is a reason why we don't give away membership into our BGLO's. Those who work hard and show earnest effort are typically smiled upon, so long as your actions aren't outrageous nor present liablility. Needless to say, "vague" deadlines don't exist. Your preparedness is on you, and no one else. So then, I ask, how prepared were you for this opportunity?

Just know that publicly bashing a greek organization for your own, personal short-comings is not reputable. It matters not how much "pink and green" you have in your closet and because your are a leagacy doesn't make you exempt from the rules of a difficult process. Everyone is held to the same high standard and someone from a socially lesser background as yourslef could earn membership if they present themselves worthy. Your name is worthless if you don't work toward your ambitions. Where I'm from, "exceptions are made for exceptional people," "and slack is for slackers."

Lastly, a good friend once told me that, "he's drinking from a well he ain't dig." I think it's time you stop riding the glory of your mother's acheivements and start diggin' a well of your own.

Peace and Blessings


^^^ Yes, Yes and YES! You said all that needed to be said; and you did it PERFECTLY. Hopefully the writer is able to take away something valuable from it. Thank you.

Maya

posted 3/12/10 @ 3:20 PM CST

Wow. What an extreme way to deal with rejection. Nobody cares.
From a journo-perspective, what's with all the cliches? This was hard to read.

Jazzmine

posted 3/13/10 @ 3:36 PM CST

I will commend you on taking a stand for what you believe in, but you say you were "rejected," but you never turned in documents to this particular organization. This means THEY did not reject you if they never had the chance to review your submission of interest. If you felt misinformed, the best thing to do is ask! If you don't ask, you cannot find the answers you are looking for. I know it always feels better when you have someone else to blame, but sometimes its best to look in the mirror (no pun intended) and realize it really is your fault that you did not have the right information. But from a non-Greek perspective, your chances of going Greek in general, just DEPLETED!

Jarad

posted 3/13/10 @ 8:33 PM CST

For starters i think this is a very good article. You expressed how you felt in a manner in which i thought was appropriate. I honestly don't believe this article was meant to be disrespectful in any way. However i do want to address some comments and obvious things. All three comments posted by maya ,jazzmine, and tristan seem to be temper-mental in some shape form and fashion. If i didn't know any better i would think that the Organization that she speaks of in this article are taking shots at it. For one thing people anybody with good comprehension skills can read this article and see that she is not "bashing" the organization, simply expressing what she thought of the whole ordeal. Never once in the article did she insult the particular organization. Now there may be cruel things in the article but if you understood what was going on you would that those comments came from her brother not her, and they were meant as comfort not insults. Another thing i wanted to mention is every comment above seems to mention her hatred due to rejection. I don't know about anybody else but she never mentioned "rejection" in the article so i don't know where you all are getting this information from. For my next couple points i would like to address the comments individually. "maya" I understand this is meant for comments but there is no room for juvenile comments like " nobody cares". With all do respect lets have a little more maturity about ourselves. And by the way i didn't know writings were extreme. Next i would like to address Jazzmine comments. I read the entire article top to bottom, twice and the things you speak of are no-where to be found. This suggests that you are a part of the organization. Your end comment "But from a non-Greek perspective, your chances of going Greek in general, just DEPLETED" is a little extreme if you ask me. If your affiliation with the involved organization turns out to be true you basically said " you'll never be an aka at arkansas state as long as im here". If this is true it is an outrage to have a woman such as Mr. Greenberry ( guessing thats her name) to contribute so much to the organization , and then curse her daughter because she had the courage to stand up and open her mouth. This also leads me to believe that maybe the things "princess" speaks of in that article are true. I mean people come on, we live in an age now where freedom of speech actually means if its not detrimental you can say it. Princess greenberry seems to possess courage, zeal, and intelligence beyond the average at arkansas state which in my eye makes her more than qualified to do anything here at arkansas state. Finally i want to address Mrs. Tristen's comment. The main points for this comment have already been covered for the previous comments. I will say this, you do a better job of "defending" your organization rather than "attacking" the writer. Your comment "exceptions are made for exceptional people". What exactly does this mean. If you take this phrase and apply it to a political stand point it basically means people with the fattest wallets have a better chance. And how exactly do you determine exceptional people if everyone is held on the same regard as you stated in your comment. Lastly one more thing i want to add is about your quote ""he's drinking from a well he ain't dig." I think it's time you stop riding the glory of your mother's acheivements and start diggin' a well of your own". I've been on this campus for a long time. I've watched many frat's and soro's come off line and one thing is common, everyone who came off is friends with a member of the organization. You talk about riding coat tails as if the entire nation is innocent of it. If that were true we would not have phrases like "it's not what you know, it's who you know". Surly my comments will be proven true when its time for the "New aka's" to reveal themselves. If one was to walk through the union early in the afternoon you could pick out each and every potential canidate. Ladies i do understand this section is meant for comments but your scare-tactics seem to be uncalled for, and if reviewed by patience bartunek could lead to more serious situations. In no shape form or fashion am i attacking the comments of you three ladies, but on the same note neither is the writer when it comes to your respective organizations.

Andrea

posted 3/19/10 @ 12:52 AM CST

THERE IS NO NEED TO COMMENT YOU'VE SAID IT ALL!!!
Originally posted by

Jarad

For starters i think this is a very good article. You expressed how you felt in a manner in which i thought was appropriate. I honestly don't believe this article was meant to be disrespectful in any way. However i do want to address some comments and obvious things. All three comments posted by maya ,jazzmine, and tristan seem to be temper-mental in some shape form and fashion. If i didn't know any better i would think that the Organization that she speaks of in this article are taking shots at it. For one thing people anybody with good comprehension skills can read this article and see that she is not "bashing" the organization, simply expressing what she thought of the whole ordeal. Never once in the article did she insult the particular organization. Now there may be cruel things in the article but if you understood what was going on you would that those comments came from her brother not her, and they were meant as comfort not insults. Another thing i wanted to mention is every comment above seems to mention her hatred due to rejection. I don't know about anybody else but she never mentioned "rejection" in the article so i don't know where you all are getting this information from. For my next couple points i would like to address the comments individually. "maya" I understand this is meant for comments but there is no room for juvenile comments like " nobody cares". With all do respect lets have a little more maturity about ourselves. And by the way i didn't know writings were extreme. Next i would like to address Jazzmine comments. I read the entire article top to bottom, twice and the things you speak of are no-where to be found. This suggests that you are a part of the organization. Your end comment "But from a non-Greek perspective, your chances of going Greek in general, just DEPLETED" is a little extreme if you ask me. If your affiliation with the involved organization turns out to be true you basically said " you'll never be an aka at arkansas state as long as im here". If this is true it is an outrage to have a woman such as Mr. Greenberry ( guessing thats her name) to contribute so much to the organization , and then curse her daughter because she had the courage to stand up and open her mouth. This also leads me to believe that maybe the things "princess" speaks of in that article are true. I mean people come on, we live in an age now where freedom of speech actually means if its not detrimental you can say it. Princess greenberry seems to possess courage, zeal, and intelligence beyond the average at arkansas state which in my eye makes her more than qualified to do anything here at arkansas state. Finally i want to address Mrs. Tristen's comment. The main points for this comment have already been covered for the previous comments. I will say this, you do a better job of "defending" your organization rather than "attacking" the writer. Your comment "exceptions are made for exceptional people". What exactly does this mean. If you take this phrase and apply it to a political stand point it basically means people with the fattest wallets have a better chance. And how exactly do you determine exceptional people if everyone is held on the same regard as you stated in your comment. Lastly one more thing i want to add is about your quote ""he's drinking from a well he ain't dig." I think it's time you stop riding the glory of your mother's acheivements and start diggin' a well of your own". I've been on this campus for a long time. I've watched many frat's and soro's come off line and one thing is common, everyone who came off is friends with a member of the organization. You talk about riding coat tails as if the entire nation is innocent of it. If that were true we would not have phrases like "it's not what you know, it's who you know". Surly my comments will be proven true when its time for the "New aka's" to reveal themselves. If one was to walk through the union early in the afternoon you could pick out each and every potential canidate. Ladies i do understand this section is meant for comments but your scare-tactics seem to be uncalled for, and if reviewed by patience bartunek could lead to more serious situations. In no shape form or fashion am i attacking the comments of you three ladies, but on the same note neither is the writer when it comes to your respective organizations.

Nicole

posted 3/14/10 @ 10:43 PM CST

I commend you on writing this article about the issue. It's all YOUR opinion! I have these questions though; let's have a HEART-TO-HEART.. NON-GREEK TO NON-GREEK conversation! Let me as this first... DID YOU GET REJECTED from the organization?!

"You would think that with all the experience, knowledge and sacrifice one's parent has done for the action or cause of the sorority that I'd be a shoe -in. One would think good grades, a record of community services stretching back into elementary school would make me one of the more obvious of candidates to be rushed."
The above statement is a statement you made in your article. My best friend is a Delta Sigma Theta at University of Central Arkansas in Conway, she talks about ALL the girls that come out and why they do NOT pick them. You would be suprised how many are LEGACY! She also speaks of many of them, having the grades, community service, etc... BUT they do NOT live the standards that Delta Sigma Theta go by! Legacy or NOT! They may get rejected, they WILL go and share this with their MOTHER or GRANDMOTHER (those are the 2 that have to be ACTIVE!) and they will express their hurt, BUT their MOTHER OR GRANDMOTHER will understand, will be open to the situation! NOW, you may have ALL the qualities that the "PAPER WORK" of the organization of your choice asked for, BUT they may NOT see the qualities as an individual. You may look GREAT on paper, but does your actions go parallel with it? That's just a question!


"I attended all the meetings and informational gatherings. I was given inaccurate information regarding the submission of necessary materials. This misinformation led to my not getting a nomination and becoming a legacy in my sorority of choice."
Question: IF you attended ALL the meetings and informationals, how did you get "inaccurate information"? I have learned here on ASU campus, that if you want to know the TRUTH.. you have to go to the SOURCE! Alot of these females around here, only look out for themselves and NOBODY else when it comes to business! (I would consider this a BUSINESS!) My best friend, when she went out of DST, she went to a MEMBER of DST and asked them herself for what she needs to do, and how to go about it! She couldnt ask her friend, well she didnt want to ask her friend, only because when it comes to this, she knew she was gonna look out for herself, and herself ONLY! "This misinformation led to my not getting a nomination..." If Im not mistaken, in order to get a nomination, you first have to have the INFORMATION and PAPER WORK?! (That's how my BF organization does it!) Also, if you want to be apart of their organization, I thought you had to approach them about it, not them go scouting for you, or see one of those flyers hanging around campus, which by the way, ALOT of females take them down! DO BETTER!

"This recent event made me think and wonder- does this sort of nonsense happen in other sororities and frats? I mean, would other legacies' or founding members' children face this type of hardship?"
I hear GREEKS on campus say this ALL THE FREAKING TIME! "All ORGANIZATIONS are run differently." Me PHI Me... You PHI You... Him PHI Him are ALL run differently. Founded on 3 different principles. EVERY ORGANIZATION is different.. you yourself should be able to tell that on ASU CAMPUS, even on OTHER campus too! Im sure everyone has their story, but sometimes "your friends arent meant to be in your organization or that organization."

"What about those rejected young ladies? Were decisions made on the basis of looks, on the basis of being fair skinned and pretty rather than those who emit a more natural inner beauty? Is it all about turning papers in on a date despite the date being vague- dates that forced an individual get everything needed done now or never- one time only? Why does the process have to be so insane?"
I was in Admission office back my INCOMING FRESHMAN year, I browsed thru the yearbooks, dating back to dino days. I ran across a WHITE AKA, A WHITE ZETA, A WHITE KAPPA/NUPE etc. I dont think race is an ISSUE! BTW: I'm friends with Kaila Davis (She's probably, well she is, the darkest AKA on campus! You should see her, BUT she's REALLY pretty to be so dark!) CLEARLY, skin complexion doesn't matter! That's something you probably could have asked your mother! I've heard back in the day, they did "paper sack" test, etc.. FOOLISH! Now look at the Councils... Black in NPC and IFC, White in NPHCI, Hispanic in IFC and NPC! So you really just have to LOOK AROUND! I've gone to other campus in Arkansas. UofA has a LOT of different races in their NPHC, IFC, and NPC. UALR has different races, etc. "Is it all about turning papers in on a date despite the date being vague- dates that forced an individual get everything needed done now or never- one time only? Why does the process have to be so insane?"
About the paper work, REMEMBER, they are a BUSINESS! NOTHING IS FREE! Your mother or family members could have told you that! IF you think the process is "INSANE" your family members had to go thru it! IF you have a problem with the way things are done, really there is NOTHING you can do about it! My best friend for example, she had to turn in all her paper work on a disk. She disliked it, BUT she wanted to be apart of the organization, and she got it done. It's NATIONALS.. it's not just that chapter running it! They have people over them! State, Regional, National, etc. So, thats something that she would have gone thru them to complain about!

"I don't even know if the sororities at Astate look over the race card when rushing. Considering my own observational experience, that doesn't seem likely to occur. The process should be cross-cultural in nature, regardless of class, ethnicity, or religious status of those wishing to join a Greek organization."
Honey, go to the Admission office and look at the yearbooks, the ones that date back! You'll see "cross-cultural in nature". I know you're talking about NOW! You can't fault the organization, if you havent seen White, Hispanic, Chinese, etc AKA's Zeta's Delta's etc on campus. They can NOT make someone come out and be apart of their organization. People have to show interest in the organization of their choice. Here at ASU people, other than African American are interested in NPHC, and if they are, they just havent came out with it yet, because not lately have I seen other races other than AFrican American. Class I think has alot to do with going Greek! My Best Friend... I know her ways, I sometimes wonder, "Why in the world did they consider her?" BUT maybe that's just a side that I see. There's a TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING! Religion, hmmm IDK about that.

IN CONCLUSION, Greek Life is a BUSINESS on ANY campus that you go too! ASU Greeks, NPC, IFC, and NPHC seem to be about the business. I cool with alot of Greeks! They complain about people wanting to be Greek for the wrong reasons; parties, hopping, etc. These people always talking about chapter meetings, community service, National Meetings, etc... its always business when I come around them, and I turn right back around to leave LOL! I really hope you do a FOLLOW up article on this. I let me BFF read it, she was HEART BROKEN and she's a Delta. Im sure she's gonna comment sometime soon. All Im saying is, you have people in your family that understand, I have my BFF, so I def. understand. I think if you would have talked with them about it, they could have gave you some insight on their organization and not just the National stuff, sometimes you just got it KEEP IT REAL! Tell you about the paper work stuff, swear I thought everyone was on paper, but clearly they are not, because my BFF was on a disk! So there you have it!

Christopher

posted 3/14/10 @ 11:29 PM CST

Bravo! what an exceptional article. If anything I see fire in this young ladies eyes.I think she will obtain her goals despite all odds. And to Jarad, great observation skills, and points well taken.

Discretion is Key

posted 3/15/10 @ 9:36 AM CST

Sigh....You're mom and Greek family members should have taught you about discretion...and the finer points of grammar.

Discretion is Key

posted 3/15/10 @ 8:52 PM CST

Originally posted by

Discretion is Key

Sigh....You're mom and Greek family members should have taught you about discretion...and the finer points of grammar.

Edited to add "you're" is a satiric reference to a comment in the letter. :-)

Oh M Gee

posted 3/15/10 @ 12:07 PM CST

Nicole - no one really cares about your Delta friend and her organization. Quit frank, if she and her sorors were really about their business, she would not share with you what goes on with her organizations and their interest...it's suppose to be confidential?! Also, you seem so surprised that Kaila Davis is "REALLY pretty"...oh, "to be so dark!"...WTH. Get an organization of your own and stop talking about your "BF"s!!

keepnitveryreal

posted 3/15/10 @ 1:54 PM CST

So, you were rejected...so what? GET OVER IT?? What are you going to do when you are not selected for a job? Cry to the newspaper/company (or your mother)? I am not greek, but I was ALWAYS TOLD that membership is NOT GAURANTEED to anyone (Legacy or NOT)!! You can be superwoman/man with an "S" on your chest and save babies from falling windows, go to all of the meetings/service projects, kiss butt and STILL BE REJECTED for WHATEVER reason they see fit--that is why they are called private organizations. This is the main reason why I was told that some NHPC Greeks can not stand Legacies. The word hasn't gotten out about your tirade because so far only 7 people have commented, but once it does and your mother finds out about this, I would take a piece out of you - because you come off as a spoiled brat. I also feel sorry for your mother because she may get the brunt of it also!!! My advice, swallow your pride and submit your application again if this is the organization you truly want to be part of. There are many AKA's who are down-to earth, but you come off as sounding "entitled" as though you are never supposed to be rejected for something. I have been rejected for things I applied for, but I didn't cry about it, I got up and got better!

MsL

posted 3/15/10 @ 3:05 PM CST

I'm so glad you wrote this article-- now my sorors all over the globe will know about your severe sense of entitlement, your lack of respect for our organization, your lack of discretion, and your inability to understand or defer to organizational processes which may not always work the way you want them to. No amount of good grades or community service would make up for the damage an attitude like yours could have caused this chapter if they hadn't had the good sense not to vote you in.

Nathan

posted 3/15/10 @ 5:23 PM CST

Good article. it was a good and interesting read.

Jay

posted 3/15/10 @ 5:44 PM CST

Great article, with that being said not to many organizations embody true sisterhood or brotherhood. It embodies sacrifice, sometimes to the extremes of like you said, with things that diminish a person's mental state. If sisterhood is what you truly want, I really would not recommend sororities as the answer, looking from the outside. I respect how you published an article about a sorority for the face value that you feel it's worth in the selection process. One day you will realize that you live in a big world and life is greater than rocking a certain combination of letters from the Greek alphabet. The ladies who started this sorority were leaders who had the courage to step in the depths and make a stand for principles they believed in relating to women. The selection process carried on in their "legacy" was suppose to continue to select or purify potential candidates who aspire to fill the void that they left behind and to further along the vision they started. Today it is not about the principles in most cases, but about superficial things that devalue with the times. I'm sure the founding sisters valued traits that did not diminish like charisma, ambition, dedication, and servitude to one another. Not skin complexion or any superficial thing out of your control...

Web Writer

posted 3/15/10 @ 6:33 PM CST

Your mother's membership in Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Inc. is hers alone. Her contributions to AKA are credited only to her, not to you. Legacies are not automatically granted membership. I'm sorry you were not made aware of this prior to pursuing membership.
It is, however, an excellent lesson.
Your family members money, education, social connections and all other accomplishments belong to each of them as individuals. You cannot claim them for yourself. Doing so is extremely off-putting, it is arrogant and entitled. I would venture to say that it was this attitude of arrogance and entitlement that was truly the root of your rejection from this AKA chapter. Your inability to follow instructions and adhere to deadlines may have simply been the icing on the cake.
I would also suggest that you learn to edit your writing. Please read the classic, "The Elements of Style" by Strunk & White, it could only help.
Best of luck to you.

Critical Thinker

posted 3/16/10 @ 6:30 AM CST

Jarad: It would be one thing if the author just questioned the application policy of the org (i.e.: the application deadline) - but she did not. She went on about her being worthy basically because of her mom's accomplishments and works for AKA. Then she move to question the reason why others may have been rejected. So - I believe, whether she admits it or not, the author sees the chapter's unwillingness to bend the rules for her application submission as a rejection. Besides, assuming that her mom and other relatives are still active, she had access to a heck of a lot more insight re: the process than many other applications, who like myself, are 1st generational students and lack relatives or freinds with any experience within the BGLO culture.

BTW - are you affiliated with a BGLO? If so, I'd expect you to understand Jazzmine's comment re: the authors chances of joining an org being 'depleted'. Not to say that she would never be able to become a member, but unless she plans to join one of the Panhellenic Council sororities, she will be made to wait until and apply to a graduate chapter. And no, I am not a member of AKA, but I do know that there is no way that the chapter @ her school will consider her for membership after this move and the other orgs will not touch her with a ten foot pole. It is what it is.

"If this is true it is an outrage to have a woman such as Mr. Greenberry ( guessing thats her name) to contribute so much to the organization , and then curse her daughter because she had the courage to stand up and open her mouth." I can understand you point, but this would only make sense if she was "formally" rejected and said rejection was not based on questionable character (being a legacy should not be a pass for those whose character would normally be an issue). But if her only complaint is the app deadline, her mom would let her know that reacting from an emotional place without allowing time for logic to assess the situation is a no-no...and this is not limited to greek life...but I'm sure you know this.

Critical Thinker

posted 3/16/10 @ 6:42 AM CST

"Great article, with that being said not to many organizations embody true sisterhood or brotherhood."
"Today it is not about the principles in most cases,..."

Wow Jay - you sure are comfortable with making generalizations without reserve, huh? If you are truly looking in from the outside, how do you know whether brother/sisterhood exists in these orgs? When an org has tens (and for some hundreds) or thousands of members, why is it so easy for people to take the actions of less than 5% to determine whether or not its members or sisterly/brotherly towards one another? Grant it - these orgs are made up of humans so not one is perfect and each have some members whose actions may not represent the org's ideals. But this does not justify the assumptions people make about the orgs based on exposure given to the 5% (which is expected since society is much quicker to highlight the bad before giving good the slightest glance).

Critical Thinker

posted 3/16/10 @ 6:49 AM CST

Nicole:
"She's probably, well she is, the darkest AKA on campus! You should see her, BUT she's REALLY pretty to be so dark!"
*SMH* - all I can say is venture out of the early 1900's and join us in the new millenium.

Also, thanks for letting the e-world know that your loose-lipped BFF member of Delta at 'the University of Central Arkansas in Conway' (lol) did not get the memo on discretion. I hope this is shown to her chapter so they can address this problem accordingly.

Vera

posted 3/16/10 @ 1:37 PM CST

Ms. Greenberry, your biggest problem is not your rejection from AKA, it is your inability to write clearly. I am shocked that "The Herald" ran your piece without extensive editing. There are grammatical errors in the Abstract for goodness sake! Because of your truly terrible writing you unwittingly veered into the territory of self-parody. This piece is not the searing condemnation of AKA that you envisioned, instead it is a comical rant of an immature, silly, unprepared girl.
I suggest you register for a basic composition class immediately. You embarrassed yourself publishing this piece and confirmed to everyone AKA's decision not to extend membership to you. They must have known that you needed to spend a lot more time in the library.
Please do not try and publish any other work until you have mastered the basics of English sentence structure.

FOUNDER

posted 3/16/10 @ 9:58 PM CST

ok the girl who wrote this article is a rtv major first incase your just now noticing that newspapers read diffrent than books its not going to have the same elaborate qualities
second it is somebody elses job to edit the paper so stop attacking the writing that doesnt reflect bad on her at all if anything is to blame for that it is the paper.
Third take away the headline and the paper doesnt say anything negative about the aka's she just asking alot of questions about the process and what it means to her. she wanted this and wasnt denied because of herself but because DATES werent clear Reality check to every AKA who thinks this girl has done something wrong or offended your great affiliation YOUR wrong and perhaps chapters should think about the way they post information about becoming a AKA thats the point.
Its not a right to be an AKA thats not what she wanted but something legendary! She isnt just a "LEGACY" her mom her Aunts helped start the chapter she wanted to pledge at. None of them would have the opportunity to even be AKA she just wanted the same opportunity.
They way these fine ladies have reacted to you shows that it is indeed not the sisterhood your mother or myself ever meant to create.
If it touched a nerve its because their was truth to it.

GAPeach

posted 3/18/10 @ 9:35 PM CST

1. It doesn't matter what the major of the writer is, we are in college, this is basic grammar.

2. Who edits this paper- 3rd graders?? There is no excuse to print this in this manner. Editors are supposed to EDIT right??

3. The dates and times of rush are not something that are broadcasted, if you want this, you find it. This is a PRIVATE organization, therefore we can be selective in membership and how we release the info. Don't expect to be spoon-fed anything! THAT'S THE POINT!

4. This article is offensive-whether you own up to it or not. It is written from emotion (disappointment, rejection), not facts. Unless she received a letter saying she was too dark or too light or any of the random unimportant stereotypes she brought up, why is that even a question?? If she had been accepted, would she feel this way?? No, she would be singing the praises of the AKA. If she had these concerns, why was she even trying to be a part of the organization in the first place? You would understand if you were Greek. She is claiming she has a family full of legacies- did her family fit these stereotypes too?? She has insulted not only the organization but her family members because she makes it seem like if you are part of the sorority, you have belittled yourself or something. But again, it would be a different song if she was accepted, wouldn't it!?

5. I don't care if she was Ethel Hedgeman Lyle's great great great granddaughter (google it, she's important!). She missed the dates, she missed out. Her mother and aunts founding the chapter has nothing to do with her. In fact, she has a higher expectation in my opinion. She has the same chance as everyone else, and this was probably not her LAST chance, but she shot herself in the foot with this article. Actually, she just blew her foot completely off.... And another thing, if she turned in her information filled with all these grammar errors like she wrote this article, she might not have made it anyway, presentation counts....

6. If someone attacked your family, would you not be on the defensive? AKA is just that to us, a FAMILY, a SISTERHOOD. We stand up for each other and our organization, and we won't stand by and let someone who is simply hurt by the rejection bad mouth us. Her mother didn't CREATE AKA, she helped to perpetuate the ideals of the organization. And if someone came to her mother attacking the sorority, I am sure her reaction would not be to just allow them to walk all over what has been created.

6. I cannot help but wonder about the character of this young lady. She claims she wants to be a part of the organization, yet proceeds to make false claims about how members are chosen?? And your defense for her is she is just asking questions?? If she had these questions, what possessed her to even want to be in it?? If she thought it was doing more harm then good to the idea of sisterhood, why even be bothered that you weren't given an opportunity to be a part of it?? She sounds young and very confused about what she wants to do, and I think she really needs to evaluate if she is ready to commit to any organization, especially if she thinks they do more bad than good.... But again, I can't help but raise the point that she wouldn't be having all this "questioning" is she had been accepted.


Originally posted by

FOUNDER

ok the girl who wrote this article is a rtv major first incase your just now noticing that newspapers read diffrent than books its not going to have the same elaborate qualities
second it is somebody elses job to edit the paper so stop attacking the writing that doesnt reflect bad on her at all if anything is to blame for that it is the paper.
Third take away the headline and the paper doesnt say anything negative about the aka's she just asking alot of questions about the process and what it means to her. she wanted this and wasnt denied because of herself but because DATES werent clear Reality check to every AKA who thinks this girl has done something wrong or offended your great affiliation YOUR wrong and perhaps chapters should think about the way they post information about becoming a AKA thats the point.
Its not a right to be an AKA thats not what she wanted but something legendary! She isnt just a "LEGACY" her mom her Aunts helped start the chapter she wanted to pledge at. None of them would have the opportunity to even be AKA she just wanted the same opportunity.
They way these fine ladies have reacted to you shows that it is indeed not the sisterhood your mother or myself ever meant to create.
If it touched a nerve its because their was truth to it.

Bee

posted 3/16/10 @ 11:38 PM CST

I can't help but notice your reference to you mother my Soror as a founder. For clarity Alpha Kappa Alpha only has 16 founders and I'm positive that you mother does not rank among the list of those 16. She should be referred to as a Charter member for those chapters you listed above. It's awesome to hear that your mothers History to this illustrious sorority is full of many accomplishments, however those accomplishments only speak to what she capable of. It's important that someone makes you aware of the fact that your mother's work ethic has nothing to do with what YOU'RE capable of and what YOU have to offer the sorority. Perhaps in future attempts to become a member of AKA you should try focusing on what you have to offer to this organization, because again what someone has achieved is not credible in vouching for your ability.

Critical Thinker

posted 3/17/10 @ 7:59 AM CST

"You would think that with all the experience, knowledge and sacrifice one's parent has done for the action or cause of the sorority that I'd be a shoe -in."

I really wonder if her family members in AKA and all of the AKA's enraged around the globe knew about her entitlement complex. I don't know but I feel that if I was a fly on the wall, I would be able to tell you all that the author's entitlement mentality hit the room before she did - turning off the members of the chapter.

"I attended all the meetings and informational gatherings. I was given inaccurate information regarding the submission of necessary materials."
SO, she attended ALL meetings and informational gatherings and yet she still ended up with inaccurate info? Hmmm...OK.

@FOUNDER:
"This recent event made me think and wonder- does this sort of nonsense happen in other sororities and frats?"

"What about those rejected young ladies? Were decisions made on the basis of looks, on the basis of being fair skinned and pretty rather than those who emit a more natural inner beauty?"

"What about female empowerment? Isn't that the foundation that these organizations were built upon? Or is it a cult bent on brain washing my mind?

"So are sororities a social class privilege designed only for those deemed the fairest of them all bent on being better than this sorority or that one? "

Yeah, she's not attacking her org of choice (or should I say default org)- she's just asking a bunch of innocent questions. It's just a coincidence that they all possess such a negative, sarcastic vibe. Riiiiigggggghhhhhhhttttt.

Bee: Thanks for the clarification. Her reference to her mom as a "founder" caught my eye but I figured perhaps other orgs use different terms.

I'mWithYou

posted 3/17/10 @ 9:43 AM CST

AKA is not the sisterhood that it once was you have to understand that.Also with all the drama going on right now maybe it is best for you not to be a member just yet. Why didn't you meet the deadline?

Jay

posted 3/17/10 @ 4:14 PM CST

You are exactly right, and that is why it's important that every chapter has integrity in themselves and be presentable at all times in the core values that are supposedly integrated in their organization. So 5% justifies the whole in showing that there is still work to be done. And sure I'm looking from the outside but like Ms. Grandberry my family is enrolled in this sorority and in many leadership positions among it, and will acknowledge the problems involved in this organization. It's the same problem with any large organization to original application of values get devalued. So it's completely natural, the problem is being in denial of this happening. I was in Washington with my mom for founder's day. My grandmother was an aka so I know the in's and outs of it, even though I'm technically looking from the outside.

May1

posted 3/17/10 @ 7:12 PM CST

This was an interesting read. I don't know much about Greek life. I am a first generation college student so we don't have Greek members in our family. I do have a few questions for the author. How are you a "shoe-in" for an organization that has a Rush and a vote? How can you gain a membership offer based on the diligence of your mother's hard work for the organization? That's like my sister asking for her name to be placed on my college graduation diploma simply because she's my sister! Does a woman automatically earn the right to AKA because of family affiliation? From an professional perspective, that wouldn't be fair to the structure of the organization since this could open the door for members simply seeking the name and the fame...and not the work. I'm not trying to be a meanie, but simply stating that if AKA ( or anything else in life) is what you really desire, then press on and keep striving, Sis! Lastly, I don't recall you stating what you plan(ned) to bring to the organization to continue strengthening it (unless I read to fast). Though I'm sure AKA would "look good" on you, would you look good in/on AKA? Just asking:) Lastly, wouldn't you like your own unique experience in the organization if you're granted membership? For example, when looking at an organization's founders, no one can duplicate what they achieved coming in..but can work to build it up and earn their own accomplishments. Who knows, maybe this one incident is testing your mettle to see if AKA is really what you desire. You seem like an intelligent, driven woman. Why would you want to attain something so valuable so easily?

Only the Chosen

posted 3/17/10 @ 9:23 PM CST

As a woman of ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY, INC. I must first say I am sorry about what happened to you. I just want to point out a few things. First, every woman is not meant to be a woman of AKA..It's a journey that only a few chosen women can make. Second, you stated your mother has worked very hard for AKA (this has nothing to do with you) that was your mothers journey not yours!!!!! And if she was so involved in the sorority then how did you receive all this incorrect info regarding membership? Would she not have been there to help you along the way? Legacy or not...membership is not for everyone...
I can only encourage you to try again if AKA is truly in your heart. But then again after writing this article who would want you as a member??? You have not used any discretion, and now everyone knows who you are, and that basically you have kicked dirt on the sorority's name!!!! Maybe you should evaluate other things about yourself other than your and your mother's credientals..Such as being a woman of high ethical and moral standards!! It's more to AKA than what you look like on paper...Be blessed and keep your head up!!!

Leading the Way Since 1-9-0-8

posted 3/18/10 @ 3:42 PM CST

As my Soror said, a little humility, discretion, and dicipline would go a long way in your case, young lady.

Membership in Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority,Incorporated is certainly not for everyone...and being legacy most certainly doesn't make you a "shoe-in."

You've quite a way to go yet on your journey to AKA, and this "op.ed" most assuredly doesn't help you in your cause. Let it be again restated: your grammar leaves something to be desired.

You'd have done much better to speak to our Sorors within your family about this matter, kept your hand from the keyboard, and regarded the entire fiasco (on your part) as a lesson learned.


Good day to you, and good luck.

Originally posted by

Only the Chosen

As a woman of ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA SORORITY, INC. I must first say I am sorry about what happened to you. I just want to point out a few things. First, every woman is not meant to be a woman of AKA..It's a journey that only a few chosen women can make. Second, you stated your mother has worked very hard for AKA (this has nothing to do with you) that was your mothers journey not yours!!!!! And if she was so involved in the sorority then how did you receive all this incorrect info regarding membership? Would she not have been there to help you along the way? Legacy or not...membership is not for everyone...
I can only encourage you to try again if AKA is truly in your heart. But then again after writing this article who would want you as a member??? You have not used any discretion, and now everyone knows who you are, and that basically you have kicked dirt on the sorority's name!!!! Maybe you should evaluate other things about yourself other than your and your mother's credientals..Such as being a woman of high ethical and moral standards!! It's more to AKA than what you look like on paper...Be blessed and keep your head up!!!

R.

posted 3/18/10 @ 5:52 PM CST

Sigma Lambda Gamma gets rid of these headaches. I never wanted to join a sorority for such reasons .And now I am the proud founder of an undergrad chapter where we embrace all of women's diversity. No bull.

Good luck.
Remember that not because one shoe fit, means the others wont.

Chanda

posted 3/18/10 @ 7:48 PM CST

First off I am Greek, I have been an AKA since Fall 2005, so yes I may be a little biased, but that also means I have insight. I served as secretary and president of my chapter and had the opportunity to bring in many girls under me. When you become Greek, your perspective on membership changes and you understand why things are the way they are. As it was previously stated, no one is GIVEN membership into BGLO's, even as a legacy. I think in your preparation since birth, as you stated, they left out that little detail. They still expected you to do what YOU needed to do to get in.

If I was your mother and had such an outstanding record with my organization like you say she has, I would be mortified that you chose to post such a tragic article and embarrass all the other legacies in your family due to YOUR lack of preparation. Because, like you said, word travels. Please know this article has reached me and I am in GEORGIA. Sorors around the world will see this and possibly think less of the legacies in your family for not teaching the meaning of discretion. There is NO excuse for a LEGACY to be ignorant when it comes to preparing for membership or exhibiting discretion when it comes to any organization. I wish you would have thought a little longer before publishing this because it will have a lasting effect not only on you, but your family. That's not a threat or scare tactic- it's reality. This is on the internet, and even if you remove it, it's here FOREVER.

Like the previous comments said, you have ruined any chance of being a part of the chapter at your school or any other organization. First, you tried to blast the AKA chapter at your school, instead of simply reattempting next year and bringing your "A" game. Secondly, even if you went to another organization, they know they are your second choice, and no one wants sloppy seconds.

If you say your family is full of legacies, I just wonder why you weren't aware of the requirements PRIOR to Rush?? I know I plan to help my future children along in the process, especially if they plan to follow in my footsteps.

But honestly, I don't blame them, it is still YOUR responsibility to be prepared. They have already become a part of the organization, and if you truly wanted to be an AKA, you would have been relying on more than the "legacy" card. You can't walk in, throw down your mother's financial card, and expect miracles to happen. Your article gives the impression that you expected such a thing to occur!

I am a first generation Greek in my family, and I managed to figure it ALL out on my own- I wasn't even fortunate enough to get info from current members of the chapter- they expected me to use common sense and earn it, not have it handed to me and I respect them for that. The flyers posted tell you everything you need to know, and you are required to meet with the graduate advisor who ALSO goes over everything with you PRIOR to rush. I can only draw my own conclusions about your article, but it does seem like you missed some of the major details and are slightly perturbed that the rules couldn't be bent for your legacy status. Did you even see the flyers?? It doesn't sound like it...

Overall, I think that this lesson was one well deserved. You cannot apply for anything in life- whether it be a job, organization, school, or a scholarship, not have the requirements, and then try to lash out to the people who gave you the opportunity, blaming them for your failure to prepare. If you had not been given the position to write for the school paper, would you have attempted something similar to this?? When you applied for a job, did you blast the company when they didn't hire you?? I am willing to bet not. You are more than entitled to your opinion, but the topics your bring up in your article are stereotypical examples of what people think Greek life is about, and I expect more from someone who comes from a family of legacies.

This article had NOTHING to do with sisterhood, but was rather a tool to try and embarrass the AKA chapter at your school and feel better about your lack of preparation. If AKA was truly within your heart, you never would have tried to do anything that would reflect badly on the organization and would recognize that you had the opportunity and blew it, not that they took it away from you. Hopefully potential future members read this and don't make the same mistakes you did, but that is all the good I can see coming from this article. Women- or rather girls- who display these types of traits (catty, stereotypical comments, lack of preparation, disrespect for the organization, etc) should not be a part of my organization, and I, for one am GLAD you didn't make it, for whatever reason it was.

BabyDoll

posted 3/18/10 @ 11:28 PM CST

Where shall I start?? As a dedicated member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, INCORPORATED, I am not offended but AMUSED at your thoughts. LMBO...ROTFL....HA!!
Did you THINK logically before publishing this article?
As a person who applied to our ILLUSTRIOUS organization, it only makes you look bad to make such allegations. Either you are narrow-minded or you just can't accept rejection. That is apart of life.
It is one thing to not be accepted and you have factual evidence on why you weren't. BUT it is another subject to claim that you were deprived of membership due to "accusations of discriminations" that you "FEEL" that my sorors have committed.
When you apply for anything in life, especially if you deeply yearn for it, you HAVE TO GIVE YOUR HEAAARRRTTT,YOUR MIIINNNDDDD, AND YOUR SOOOOUUULLL!!!! That's a motto for any REAL goal you have in life. (i.e.jobs, school) YOU MUST BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER COMES YOUR WAY!!!!
God may have something different for you!!!! Did you ever think of that?? It may not have been your time!! Did you ever think of that??
Anyway, you have dug a never-ending hole for yourself now. You have CLEARLY displayed your immaturity, your inability to be persistent, and your inability to accept a failure as a success.
I hope that you take this as a lesson-learned for your future!!!

BabyDoll

posted 3/18/10 @ 11:31 PM CST

Where shall I start?? As a dedicated member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, INCORPORATED, I am not offended but AMUSED at your thoughts. LMBO...ROTFL....HA!!
Did you THINK logically before publishing this article?
As a person who applied to our ILLUSTRIOUS organization, it only makes you look bad to make such allegations. Either you are narrow-minded or you just can't accept rejection. That is apart of life.
It is one thing to not be accepted and you have factual evidence on why you weren't. BUT it is another subject to claim that you were deprived of membership due to "accusations of discriminations" that you "FEEL" that my sorors have committed.
When you apply for anything in life, especially if you deeply yearn for it, you HAVE TO GIVE YOUR HEAAARRRTTT,YOUR MIIINNNDDDD, AND YOUR SOOOOUUULLL!!!! That's a motto for any REAL goal you have in life. (i.e.jobs, school) YOU MUST BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER COMES YOUR WAY!!!!
God may have something different for you!!!! Did you ever think of that?? It may not have been your time!! Did you ever think of that??
Anyway, you have dug a never-ending hole for yourself now. You have CLEARLY displayed your immaturity, your inability to be persistent, and your inability to accept a failure as a success.
I hope that you take this as a lesson-learned for your future!!!

ASU AKA

posted 3/19/10 @ 12:07 PM CST

Being a member of the particular chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc., I will not say that your chances of becoming a member are over, but your DESIRE to become part of the organization is questioned. I do not want to attack you, but I do want to lay out some facts: When you came to the informational, you showed up LATE. Not only did you show up late, but you came in jeans and a t-shirt to a BUSINESS CASUAL event. On top of that, you sat in the back, slouched in a chair, with your arms folded. Now tell me commenters, would you think that this young lady had even the smallest interest in this organization, or was she maybe FORCED (legacy) to attend to uphold her mother's standards. No, we had no clue that she was legacy, because she made no effort to mingle with anyone there. She simply LEFT once the information was given. Once again, I will not say that your chances are ruined, but if you would like a chance, we would like to see that you actually care. Even though I find this article a bit offensive, I will say that its the first sign that you actually care!

Get Over It

posted 3/19/10 @ 12:25 PM CST

They didn't want you...Get Over It!!!

AKA in Iowa

posted 3/22/10 @ 10:08 AM CST

How did you manage to NOT receive the correct information, while other young ladies DID?

Were you the only one that was rejected? Did you not read the website to see what the requirements were (legacy information is there as well), or did you think that they didn't apply to you?

Critical Thinker

posted 3/22/10 @ 1:25 PM CST

ASU AKA: Thank you for confirming what I expected. I knew being a fly on the wall would explain why she did not get any further. Her belief that she was a shoe-in let me know that she probably went in slipping - assuming effort was required. I am pretty sure none of this (i.e.: the BBQ attire, lateness, uninterested demeanor, etc) was shared with your sorors 'shocked around the globe' by her unsuccessful pursuit. *smh* But re: your last sentence, I would wonder whether she really care about membership in your org or just the egg on her face when she had to report that she did not make line.

a person

posted 3/31/10 @ 9:50 PM CST

That girl is also incredibly shy and has lived in the shadow of alot of people in her family she never mentions her mother father or brother unless people specifically (this article was shocking at how bratty she came of) ask about them and jeans and a t shirt that can be classy now a days. I think she wants it but didnt want to tell any body but wanted to do it on her own. Another thing this is her article its her way of being known the thing she is known for and only her after all if you cant stand by your word what can you stand by.

Leesa

posted 4/05/10 @ 1:40 AM CST

Some people get rejected once or twice. Not everyone makes it on their first try honey. Seriously. Endurance is key. Just like discretion. (HINT HINT) Your chances are slim to none at this point because you just....

I mean really? I'm not even greek or want to be an AKA and I find this rude.

Personal Opinion

posted 4/11/10 @ 3:14 PM CST

When I first saw this article get put up a few weeks ago I didn't think many people would look into it. Now that there are 20+ comments I guess my opinion on this whole topic has changed.

I myself am in a fraternity and I feel all legacies should be supported. If people didnt know the girl was a legacy then there is a breakdown in the leadership area. All chapter advisers should know who is interested in their greek organization and ESPECIALLY which legacies are around.

Second of all, I have never seen such an embarrassment directly forced on an organization because they cant keep their mouth shut. If a girl didnt make the cut by being the best she could be then hell, let her voice her opinion. Right now your committing slander and just making yourselves look worse.

Thank you

Just Wow

posted 4/25/10 @ 11:25 AM CST

Your mom wasn't a founder of anything. She was a CHARTER member. And for having such a rich history in the organization, it's a shame that she didn't make that distinction abundantly clear to you before you wrote this article.
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